Meta:Babel

Currently, the page translation target language configuration on Wikimedia Meta-Wiki were inherited from the "language converter page translation model".

However, this actually created several problems including the broken page transclutions with malfunctioned language converter tags exposed and using the workaround of Template:Conversion-zh, Template:LC zh. More breakages could be found on phab:T328838.

I would like to propose to use the "translatewiki.net page translation model"/"Miraheze Meta page translation model" instead on Meta-Wiki after the related proposal had been discussed, supported and approved and changes had been done on Wikifunctions.

Below are examples of the proposed translation model.

• https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Project%3AAbout&action=page&language=zh-hans&filter=
• https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Project%3AAbout&action=page&language=zh-hant&filter=
• https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Miraheze+Meta&action=page&language=zh-hans&filter=
• https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Miraheze+Meta&action=page&language=zh-hant&filter=

More briefly for the zh part: The old configuration can only translate into zh while the new configuration can translate into zh-hans (for zh-Hans-CN, zh-Hans-MY, zh-Hans-SG), zh-hant (for zh-Hant-TW) and zh-hk (for zh-Hant-HK, zh-Hant-MO).

Without using /zh-hans, /zh-hant, /zh-hk, we have to pass the language tag every time using message bundle messages.

-- Wrapping all of them under /zh using {{LC zh|, without using /zh-hans, /zh-hant, /zh-hk
tmb.new( mb_page_title, lang_tag ):t( message_key ):params( lang_tag ):plain()

-- Using separated /zh-hans, /zh-hant, /zh-hk, we no longer need to pass the language tag :params( lang_tag ) every time
tmb.new( mb_page_title, lang_tag ):t( message_key ):plain()

With this change, every Lua module using translation bundles can be simplified:

- :t( message_key ):params( lang_tag ):plain()
+ :t( message_key ):plain()

Without this change, every Lua module using translation bundles need to:

- :t( message_key ):plain()
+ :t( message_key ):params( lang_tag ):plain()

Note: "translatewiki.net page translation model"/"Miraheze Meta page translation model" refer to the same translation model.

-- Winston Sung (talk) 07:57, 30 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

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As I didn't look into two models, is there any major difference? If yes, would you briefly describe the difference please? Hamish 16:02, 5 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

More briefly for the zh part:

• The old configuration can only translate into zh, while:
• The new configuration can translate into zh-hans (for zh-Hans-CN, zh-Hans-MY, zh-Hans-SG), zh-hant (for zh-Hant-TW) and zh-hk (for zh-Hant-HK, zh-Hant-MO).

-- Winston Sung (talk) 08:27, 8 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

A future timestamp to prevent automatic archive to unresolved topic. -- Winston Sung (talk) 00:00, 1 January 2026 (UTC)Reply

The current policy for Meta:Temporary account IP viewers is the default one. As per the global policy in foundationwiki, there may be additional requirements as part of this review, so I'm seeking inputs for additional requirements. As the group mostly helpful to patrollers, (proposal 1): Users must be in patrollers user group to request the access. (proposal 2): And administrators can grant this to users (who does not pass the additional requirements) with their own discretion. 🪶-TΛNBIRUZZΛMΛN (💬) 19:51, 4 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Tanbiruzzaman: It has always been the case that admins grant permissions at their own discretion, so proposal 2 is moot. What problem is proposal 1 intended to solve? NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 20:48, 4 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Oh, thanks. But I still mentioned that proposal 2 as there's no local policy yet, just a info page. Proposal 1, I think it'll limit any upcoming abuse of the tool. It is something similar to Checkuser, in this case it is like "check temp-accounts". 🪶-TΛNBIRUZZΛMΛN (💬) 20:57, 4 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Tanbiruzzaman: Who has abused TAIV on Meta? Currently there are only 2 users with this permission, one of which doesn't need it (as a full admin). NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 21:08, 4 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Actually both of them doesn't need it as Global groups also have it. What I meant is any upcoming abuse, as, currently, anyone with the basic requirements can request it, and they should be granted without any question. 🪶-TΛNBIRUZZΛMΛN (💬) 21:16, 4 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Right, the second user was granted GR. Anyway, I'd like to believe that Meta admins are smart enough not to grant the permission to just anyone. Unless a specific case of abuse has happened, it's better to avoid instruction creep. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 21:20, 4 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

• I don't think a local policy on this is needed, it is niche here. — xaosflux ^Talk 16:35, 13 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

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See Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee#Would this fall under the U4C's jurisdiction? Faster than Thunder (talk) 00:29, 10 January 2026 (UTC)Reply

<English>

Currently, editing on the Japanese Wikipedia is restricted, and I have submitted a request for its removal. However, despite approximately one month having passed since placing a template on the talk page, I have received no communication whatsoever from the administrators. Under these circumstances, is it possible to lift the editing restriction through other means? I am aware this is not the appropriate forum for such a question, but since I am blocked from the Japanese Wikipedia, I cannot post to the Babel Forum and am forced to ask here. Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

<Japanese>

現在私は日本語版wikipediaで投稿ブロックされており、ブロック解除依頼をしているのですが、会話ページにテンプレートを貼り付けてから約1ヶ月が経過しておりますが、管理者からの連絡が一切来ません。この場合他の手段で投稿ブロックを解除してもらうということは可能ですか？本来この場で質問するべきではないことは理解していますが、日本語版wikipediaがブロックされている関係で井戸端（Babel）に投稿できないのでこの場で質問させていただきます。 Hdialk (talk) 01:32, 12 January 2026 (UTC)Reply

• meta-wiki is not an appeals venue for local project blocks. — xaosflux ^Talk 16:15, 12 January 2026 (UTC)Reply